Friday, June 8, 2018

JUNE 6 2018
problem of alot of thanksgivien relatives solved....  20   i think....TUESDAY THRU SUNDAY... nice place in merimac mass which has fairly new travel trailers..plan is to line up 5 of them in front of teh  g tent-- a lively bunch.. should be fun..it's said they sleep 8  but i figure 4 per should work...along with my  relatives we  still have to feed  be all teh people who help run this place on a daily basis--- so that ads another 12 or so..
other object being to figure out how to feed everyone without having anyone get stuck cooking-- and where to feed them....   especiLLY IF IT IS SNOWING--- WHICH IT IS CAPABLE OF DOING  T'DAY.. SO THERE IS SOME PLANNING-
WE/THEY NEED AN INDOOR PROJECT TO KEEP THE GROUP CASUALLY COHESIVE...  ONE YEAR THERE WAS A PUZZLE BEING DONE.     WE HAVE LOADS OF INDOOR UNHEATED PLACE TO DO THINGS... AND IT SHOULD NOT BE BITTER COLD????
**** SERVICE DOGS....
HERE IS A TYPICAL GO-ROUND....
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Hello. I will be attending a tour June 24th with Bark n Roll where i work. A coworker Felisha set it up I think. I was wondering if it is oK I bring my service dog with me. He is a fully trained medical alert dog. Look forward to hearing from you. 
Ps: I always watch the live feed on YouTube when I’m bored:) 

Sent from my iPhone
***SO I ANSWERED...
IF HE IS FULLY TRAINED BY AN ACCREDITED FACILITY, OF COURSE YOU CAN-- AND I ASSUME NEUTERED AND SPAYED  BECAUSE I HAVE BREEDING DOGS HERE SO IT COULD GET COMPLICATED...PLEASE  HAVE SOMEONE COME NOTIFY ME BEFORE YOU TAKE HIIM/HER  OUT OF THE CAR SO WE ARE SURE TO COLLECT OURS.
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AND I GOT BACK
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So if he is owner trained I can’t bring him? And he is neutered yes. 
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  -- i have certified owner trained dogs----IT CERTAINLY IS POSSIBLE TO DO THAT...  HOWEVER.....
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY STAtements i get like yours from people who think they haVE A PROPERLY TRAINED DOG-- AND THEY ARE NOT.-- SO I HAve to assume if it has not been certified by someone who knows the public access test- tHen it probaBLY IS NOT. 
 AND IF HE IS NOT... WHY NOT? 

IF YOU ARE A VETERAN/ FIRST RESPONDER OR TEH LIKE- AND WOULD LIKE ME TO TEST HIM, I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT,  FOR FREE...  BUT I HAVE TO WARN YOU  ALL 3 OF US HAVE TO AGREEE IT IS A PROPERLY TRAINED DOG THAT CAN PASS TEH  ADI PUBLIC ACCESS TEST PERFECTLY.

I HAVE ATTACHED A COPY OF THE ADI TEST...  I THINK SOMEWHERE IT SAYS THE DOG MUST PASS 80%-- BUT WHEN I AM CERTIFYING A DOG WE HAVE NOT TRAINED, WE  MUST HAVE 100%.

SO UNLESS YOU HAVE PROOF OF HIS TRAINING, I SUGGEST YOU NOT BRING HIM...
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DOCTORS !  
 "BUT MY DOCTOR SAYS HE IS A SERVICE DOG...."  THERE IN LIES TEH  PROBLEM -  THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS TEH RIGHT TO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH A SERVICE DOG THAT IS ALLOWED ACCESS-- THEY MUST BEHAVE PERFECTLY- MOST OF TEH DOCTORS I HAVE KNOWN  DON'T HAve a clue what a well trained dog is--- or even worse-- how they got that way...
 this "doctor's letter"  creates a bad situation where i have to end up saying- for whatever reason....   " we can't supply you with a dog"  there are alot of people who figure it is like a perscription to be filled... and they get mad at me....
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there is a subtle problem here.... a medical alert dog can very often be just plaqin old dog with no training which  happens to alert a situation....- thaT COUlD BE... BUT THAt does not address the behavior of teh dog in public-- that could be a dog  running around telling you  you are about th have low blood sugar problem-- while eating food off the table in a reataurant....  what ever that dog does for you, you have not done your part to protect the public..

and if anyone tells you  FOR $15,000 they can traIN A DOG TO ALLERT TO A SEIZURE ETC... ASK THEM HOW DO THEY PRACTICE?  MOST DOGS WILL PICK IT UP ON THEIR OWN AND YOU JUST HAVE TO RECOGNISE THE SIGNS....
unhaPPY AS I CAN GET WITH ADI...  THEY TRY AND ADDRESS THE FAct that a service dog  must be perfectly trained FO R PUBLIC ACCESS. 
the biggest problem with   owner trained is tehy get into "he only does that occasionally"   or   "he is so cute when he barks like that" 


i do think adi accredited places should do more to certify what a trained dog is...

28 comments:

  1. So you violate the ADA by asking more than the two questions allowed, when your facility is clearly open to the public during certain events, and then go off on a rant about doctors when the person didn't even say anything about having a doctor's note? Enjoy your DOJ investigation.

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    1. Dear Umanda_Lopsey,
      I did my own investigation and per the DOJ...
      Q25 "When can service animals be excluded?
      A: The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies, practices, or procedures if it would “fundamentally alter” the nature of the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public. Nor does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. If admitting service animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program, service animals may be prohibited. In addition, if a particular service animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded." https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.pdf

      So there's that.

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    2. Actually BossGuy714, If you're trying to make a case that the SD can be excluded, I suggest you call the DOJ. That specific language is intended for very limited circumstances and rarely applies. The test for "fundamentally altering" is a rather high bar. You would also have to prove legitimate safety concerns. There is no basis for that unless the dogs on SDP property are not well socialized to other dogs. Then you now have uncovered a separate issue as there is no reason to believe this is anything other than a well trained SD.

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  2. Couple violations of the ADA here.
    1) Denying a Service Dog access to a Public Event.
    2) Requiring proof of legitimacy.

    On top of that, this isnt even the entire conversation. The person was willing to send you a vid of her Service Dog tasking, which she legally didnt even have to do.

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    1. PLEASE file a complaint with ADI and DOJ! This organization has a history of violating recipient privacy, violating the ADA with their own dogs and actually places dogs for PTSD that are NOT PTSD task trained. They fraudulently flew a known pet to Hawaii as a SD. That's SD fraud. The list goes on.

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    2. NOT a public event, this is her home.

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    3. Dear Kagome963,
      Since we're talking about legalities, I'll take the liberty of showing you what the law says.
      Per the DOJ...
      Q25 "When can service animals be excluded?
      A: The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies, practices, or procedures if it would “fundamentally alter” the nature of the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public. Nor does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. If admitting service animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program, service animals may be prohibited. In addition, if a particular service animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded." https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.pdf

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    5. How does this fundamentally alter your business..? If having a well trained, under control service dog throws all your dogs off that bad, maybe you should keep them contained for their safety/you know train them better..?!?

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  4. You're a cockwomble for putting this up with out premission from the other party, lieing about doctors notes which was never said, and breaking ADA yourself.. I already has some issues with your organization sending out dogs to preform heavy mobility task before their joints have closed but this tops the cake.

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    1. Dear Yukifumi,
      Please utilize spellcheck and proofread for grammatical errors prior to posting in a public forum. That would really top the cake!

      You can see my above posts regarding ADA requirements.

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    2. I find it funny that you tell someone else to “utilize spellcheck and proofread” when the writer of these blog posts clearly does not. So maybe take your grammar and English lesson to them.

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  5. I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY OLD PEOPLE WHO GOT STUCK ON CAPS LOCK





    You are a fraud too btw ��

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  6. Yikes.

    You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    I can understand your hesitation, as so many pet ESA dogs are passed off illegally a service dogs everyday, but you are legally and ethically crossing a line by asking for documentation from this person. Either you don't know this, which makes one question your competence as a SD trainer, or you do know this and attempted to circumvent the laws, which makes one question your integrity.

    You own a service dog organization and yet unabashedly violated ADA laws, as well as treated this handler with not so much as half a modicum of human decency or respect. This handler went above and beyond to give you the courtesy of preparing for another service dog being in attendance, and instead of appreciating her gesture, you exploited your position as gatekeeper of the organization.

    AND, to top it off, you have the audacity to post a part of this private conversation on your public blog.

    This will not bode well for your organization, you can be certain.

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    1. Oh Dear Kat,

      Meow.

      To quote you, "This will not bode well for your organization, you can be certain." This stinks of threat. Cyberbullying certainly should not be tolerated. Either you don't know this, which makes one question your competence as an internet user, or you do know this and have knowingly decided to use threats as a medium of expression, which makes one question YOUR integrity.

      All that aside and as a fellow kitty cat lover, I must point out that the DOJ publication on ADA requirement guidance states as follows
      "Q25 "When can service animals be excluded?
      A: The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies, practices, or procedures if it would “fundamentally alter” the nature of the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public. Nor does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. If admitting service animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program, service animals may be prohibited. In addition, if a particular service animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded." https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.pdf

      Have a lovely evening.

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    2. Oh Dear BossGuy714, DO please call the DOJ and have them clarify the intent of that language to you. Please.

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    3. Haha. Cyber bullying when this bitch posted first. I like how her groupies come to the rescue with bullshit they found online, and all they can say is “ooOOOooo ThAtS A tHrEaT”

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  7. She has no shame. Read her blog posts. She has publicly bashed the ADA with "apologies to the ADA..." proceeding on with why a "well trained dog" in public was just as acceptable. Additionally, she's admitting she won't follow ADI guidelines. Will ADI do anything? Not unless there are enough complaints so I implore everyone to file a complaint with ADI for any and all infractions observed.

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  8. Hi there. I am the owner and head trainer at Bark n’ Roll, Francine Coughlin. You have every right to have whatever requirements you’d like for visitation to your facility. My staffers were coming out of their own curiosity and possible desire of one staffer with a mobility issue to be a candidate for one of your dogs. This was not a group excursion just to be clear. I am surprised a professional would blow up this request in a public forum mentioning both my business’ name and my staffer’s name. Make your points. But my young staffers looking to you for guidance and possible assistance are now completely discouraged and your reaction is incredibly unkind and unprofessional. If you’d like to discuss further you can reach me at francine@bark-n-roll.com.

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  9. Attn kate stating fraud
    Attn yuki stating cockwomble
    Attn paisley stating fraud
    Attn kat using of a threat

    Any and all false accusations of personal or criminal conduct, are presumed to be DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER, in a Court of Law.

    To maliciously harm a Person's reputation is a very serious offense, as is your name-calling.

    Harm, may be as small as a local community discussion,
    up to any public negative reaction...causing harm to this mentioned person and organization, whether seen or unseen, by the Accusers themselves...

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    1. And what you did in return..? Oh and if these supposed things are that in a court of law so is the crap the op posted. So go for it. Plus I don’t think she needs much help with defamation of character the two of you clearly donenough of that on your own 👍🏻. These people just further speak of the things y’all are doing that shed negative light on yourselves and your organization.

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